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Receiving Christ Consciousness · Session 4 of 7
Why?
With Mother Mary, channeled by John McCurdy
John:
Hello dear friends, once again. This is John.
I wasn't expecting to have a fourth session in this class. But you know, in this new reality we're entering into, I'm learning that you pretty much have to give up ALL of your expectations!
So here we are, and Mother Mary wants to add a fourth session. So we'll see where it goes.
I invite you to take a moment and breathe. Take a drink of water if you need to. [John takes a drink of water]
Ahh...
Get comfortable, and continue the conscious breathing as we move forward.
And now, let's see what Mother Mary has to say.
[a short pause as John connects with Mother Mary]

Mother Mary:
Greetings, my dear friends!
Oh, indeed, one more session to wrap up some important details here.
Indeed, I've been watching—it has been a month since we recorded the first three sessions, and I've been watching John go through his process of preparing them. Oh, the technical details, putting the videos together, getting the transcriptions and editing them, creating the page layouts on the website, and so many details.
And John gets frustrated because it takes so long, and his soul and I both keep reminding him that other people who are doing this have whole teams to put these things together, and he's doing it by himself. It's a beautiful thing to watch, and it might start changing sooner than he's ready for...
Because, yes, he's remembering that first call to channel that I brought to him 22 years ago, in 2003.
I encouraged him to start a group. He wasn't quite sure what to do with it, and then I showed up and asked him to channel me. And I gave him the first two words to say! But oh, he just wasn't ready to trust himself that much. And he looks back on that as a bit of a failure.
How would it have been different if he had opened his mouth and said those two words, and then let me flow through him?
Hmm...
Well, that actually wasn't the intention for right then. Oh, certainly, it could have happened. It would have probably been a quite different trajectory for his life, but he and I both knew that he needed to learn to trust himself. And that would have been a big step, but there were other steps.
He needed to find himself. He needed to find his own soul, and open up to channeling his own soul.
He needed to find his sovereignty before he allowed another being to start coming through, and I was in total support of that.
And now here we are. He is a sovereign master.
Even though his human still questions that at times, he indeed is. And he knows it. And it could be that we have some amazing work to do together as fellow masters.
Hmm, we'll see. But for right now...
Oh, I've been watching John, and you've read some of his notes around some of the sessions.
This thing of the Christian Church is so deep, so dear, for so many of you!
And yes, there are some of you rolling your eyes right now and going, “I don't really give a shit about any of that!” And I understand. Some of you who are feeling that way were the deepest in it, and you got hurt so much.
Mmm...
It's okay if you don't feel the resonance with that, but a lot of you do. A lot of you were so involved in creating those churches, and in trying to figure out what went wrong.
And what I am here to tell you, what Yeshua was trying to tell you in the first two sessions, is that nothing went wrong.
We succeeded in our grand project!
Oh, it wasn't planned out. Not at all. It was a dream. Dear Adamus has called it the Atlantean Dream. And the truth is, we started this project way before Atlantis.
So, this morning John sat down to write what he thought were going to be his final comments in this class, with a big question.
It's easy to see how, in a certain way, the church was successful in nurturing that seed of hope. But oh, the dramas and the traumas and the struggles and the pain and the wars and the violence!
Oh, so much war and violence in the name of Jesus! In the name of my son, Yeshua! How could that be? He was never about that.
Oh, he was a little hot-headed now and then, but he was all about love and compassion. And it has been a struggle as he has watched, as I have watched, all the violence that has been perpetrated in his name by the Christian Churches.
Indeed, as John said in his comment, nothing else in all of your Earth history has created as much violence and bloodshed as the Christian religion.
So how could that be?
How could that be, and somehow that seed still got nurtured and carried forward and did its job?
Mmm...
Well, we have to step back a little bit and have a look at the bigger picture.
You see, this project started long before Earth even existed. Oh, all of us angels—that's you, you without bodies—we were all exploring, creating, playing, and battling. And trying to figure out how creation worked, how energy worked, and how to get along with each other.
Oh, we were like children. And we didn't know how to get along with each other, so we ended up in all these intense battles. And that, dear friend, is when we truly lost hope.
Finally we got together and we said, “We have to do something about this!” Because creation had come almost to a standstill, and we didn't know if we would just blink out of existence if it continued.
So there was a big meeting. Representatives from all the angelic families came together and said, “We have to do something about this. What should we do?”
One of the ideas that was proposed, one of many, was to create a place, a very physical place off in a distant corner of creation, where we could slow everything down and replay all of these struggles, in a slowed down way that we could repeat over and over, until we could finally understand what was happening. And that place was Earth.
We created it. We brought it to life. And one of us, whom you call Gaia, embodied herself into this planet, which was just a barren rock in space, and breathed life into it. Oh, with all of our help.
Some of you were very closely part of that, part of the project, and you feel such a resonance with Gaia and with nature.
But here is what I want to remind you of:
You see, we created Earth as this beautiful place, but we created it with a very specific purpose, and that purpose was NOT for it to be a place of ‘peaches and cream and everything nice.’
No, not at all!
Earth was created specifically to be a gritty place. A dirty place. Oh, a beautiful place also, but a place full of contrast.
It was created to be a provocative place, a place that would stir you up, that would trigger all of those old memories and all of those old conflicts and battles, and push you into conflict. And into everything you felt before and didn't know what to do with.
Earth was created to push you into that, so that together we could replay all of those old conflicts, and all of those old wounds, in a slow and visceral way, over and over, until we could finally understand what was happening and how to move forward in a new way.
And that, dear friend, was the true purpose of Earth.
Mmm...
Oh yes, it is a beautiful place! And the reason for that was to show us the contrast.
And indeed, all of the beauty of nature and of Earth and of people, of the love that you discovered here, oh, it created more conflict than it ever solved!
Hear that, dear friend. You know it.
For every beautiful love you ever experienced, there was so much more pain and heartbreak and loss.
For every beautiful thing you've seen, there are so many who would tear it down in so many different ways.
And that, dear friend, was by design! It was your design. And mine, but I was just one of you. I wasn't a leader, at least of you. I was just one of you.
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And so you came here. We came here. And we evolved Earth, and the life on Earth, until we came to this point where we could embody in it. And we learned how to do that.
Oh, we had a certain amount of hope at that point, because of what we were doing, but not very much. And our understanding was still very low. We were like children.
So we embodied here on Earth, and we learned. We grew, slowly in terms of your time, because it was trial and error.
We didn't know anything. We didn't know what was happening. We just knew we had to explore, until maybe, someday, we would understand.
Mmm...
You went through the times of Lemuria, where you were embodying in all kinds of different creatures. And then came the times of Atlantis, and we learned how to stabilize the biology and the mind, how to equalize them so that we were all similar, so we could communicate better and do things together.
And of course, that also made it easier to battle each other.
Because disagreements arose. As soon as we could live together and be in community together the disagreements started coming up, and we had no clue how to deal with those.
So, some of us gave our power to others and allowed them to control us, to decide what was right and wrong and to decide how we should act. But there still wasn't agreement, and there came to be many different people in power with different ideas. And you know the rest of the story.
Soon there were all these battles, and nearly every tribe on the planet would kill people from the other tribes on sight. There was so much violence, and so much disagreement!
And there were times of peace, and you worked hard to figure out why they existed, so you could make them last. Sometimes it worked for a little while, and then it would fall apart and you would have a big war, and a lot of people would die.
And oh, that hurt.
Because, as humans, there was a whole new layer of forgetting when you came to Earth. You didn't remember anything outside of what your human senses could perceive, so as far as you knew, when somebody died that was the end. That was the last you ever saw of them.
You burned them up, or buried them in the ground, or sometimes ate them, and that was the last you saw of them.
Your forgetting was very complete at the time, for you gave this mind that you developed the job of managing your biology, and also of cutting you off from your memories, from your soul, and of distracting you so that you wouldn't remember until it was time.
And so you went through all this time learning and learning, until finally, in Atlantis it all blew up and we nearly destroyed the earth.
A few of us went underground into the cavities in the Earth, where there was still energy in the crystals and it was possible to live there at that time. And many of you just stayed in the other realms, for it was too much trouble to live on Earth.
But you watched, and time doesn't mean much outside of Earth, so eventually the Earth found its balance again. Gaia found her balance again, and you could say that the gameboard was reset.
The energy in the crystals in the earth died out, and so you came back to the surface and found that it was livable now, and the rest of you started coming in from the other realms and being birthed on Earth. And you know the story from there.
So much drama and trauma! Such a struggle just to survive! And then power started coming back into the game, with some people in power and some people not.
Mmm...
We kept getting together in the other realms, and we came up with this plan that ended up with Yeshua here. We won't go through that again because we just did, but we got here and we planted the seed, and we created the churches to nurture that seed.
And, as Yeshua said and as John has said in his comments, it was a beautiful, grand thing! And so surprising that it actually worked!
Because the real seed was hope.
It wasn't salvation. Well, in a sense, hope is salvation, but it wasn't about satisfying some God, that doesn't even exist because it is you.
It wasn't about any of the things that the early Christians thought it was about. And those early Christians were you.
You were there. If you are resonating with this material, you were there. You might not have been right in Palestine, because we spread out all around the world at that point, to help ground the energies and consciousness of that seed.
And then, oh, we missed Yeshua so much after he died!
We wanted so much to continue in that love and compassion that he brought, and simply to continue to communicate, to share, with people who understood us.
You see, we were just like you. So many of you came into this life ahead of your time, and you find that very, very, very few people have any idea what you are talking about. They think you are absolutely crazy for how you live.
Well, that's how we were then. We were ahead of our time. We understood something that nobody else understood, and so we wanted to continue to fellowship with others who understood. So we started meeting together, and we started forming communities of like-minded people.
And, well, like always happened before, very soon there were disagreements. Even among the apostles, those closest to Jesus, to Yeshua, we started having our own disagreements.
And then the battles began. Slowly, but they began.
The churches grew out of those communities, especially as people began to take power. Oh, with special training, of course, by those who thought they understood, and then these people would be put in this place of power and everybody else would give them their power and their sovereignty.
You called them ministers, preachers, and eventually you called them priests.
Eventually some of the churches, long later, stepped back from that word, because there had been so much abuse and you were starting to feel that it had gone too far, and that the power needed to come back to the people, and so you started working on that.
For lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes, you worked in and around the church.
Oh, in many of those lifetimes you created these mystery schools, with help from some of the masters that had gone before you, that had found their own sovereignty again. That had grown up, you could say, to a certain extent.
So you formed the mystery schools, trying to understand: What went wrong with the church? Why is everything such a mess? And eventually those fell apart, because it was time.
And somehow, in all of that, the hope survived. And the hope grew. And it touched people.
You gave them all these reasons to believe. It turned out those reasons were a bunch of nonsense, but it worked. It helped the people to believe that there was hope, and to believe that maybe they could have a better life. Or at least maybe their children could.
And that changed everything, dear friend. Everything!
And now you are seeing the fruits of it. Everything is changing on this earth. The new Earth is under construction right now, by you. And here we are.
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So you see, yes, the church has been a mess. And yes, its time has come, as Yeshua said. You already see it crumbling, and very soon, as people discover a new hope because of your light, they are going to abandon the churches. And the churches will simply disappear.
But it was your light that brought the hope in the beginning. It was your light that brought the hope through Yeshua. And it is your light that is bringing the completion to this long, long story.
Mmm...
And you see, it wasn't just what happened on Earth with humans.
What you have done here, what you have done through this whole journey, and in particular—some people will argue this—but in particular through the Christian Church... Well, it wasn't just about planting the seed of hope.
It was about continuing the reason and the purpose of Earth's existence.
And within the church, oh, it was such a perfect place to play out those battles and those disagreements and all those things that brought creation to a standstill!
And so, even in that the church served its purpose, and here you are at the completion.
And not only is it being completed here on Earth, but what you learned here... Ha! The human looks around and goes, “I'm not sure what I learned!” but we'll get to that.
What you learned here has changed all of creation and all of existence!
The energies are moving again.
The hope is back! Not just among humans, but among angels.
Because of you. Because of us and what we did.
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So yes, the Christian Church was a mess, but it had a reason!
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And dear friend, I ask you now to step back, and to see the bigger picture.
When you get so caught up in the pain and the misery of humans and you forget... Well, it is because you forgot that you don't see the bigger picture, and that you don't see that it was all a game. It was all make-believe.
Oh, it was a very real experience, but there is no death!
Nobody ever died, ever!
Nobody was ever hurt in a real, meaningful way. Ever. Ever!
Because you are eternal. You are God also. You are sovereign. You cannot be hurt!
Oh, you can play a game of being hurt, and you can make that a very real experience. But as soon as you step back and look at it from your soul's perspective, from the real you perspective, you see that it was just a game.
There was no hurt. No hurt at all!
It was an experience of hurt, but that experience fades away as soon as you see it for what it truly was.
There is no death. There is no hurt.
There is only a belief in your mind of having been hurt. That's all.
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You wonder about all these things going on in your body right now, and all the chaos in your life and around you, and all of that.
It is simply about, your soul is taking all of those old memories and all of those old imagined hurts, and bringing them home.
What does that mean? It means that your soul is simply reminding those parts of you of the truth: They were all illusions. Illusions that you gained so much wisdom from, but still illusions.
Mmm...
So many of you know that, but you still hold on to all those old hurts and pains. And I understand, for I've been on this journey with you.
From the human perspective it is very difficult to let go. The human wants to hold on, because it wants its vengeance.
That's why this imaginary God was so vengeful. Because humans want vengeance!
You want those people to pay for what they did, and if you let go of the story, if you let go of the hurt, then who will pay?
But dear friend, that is hurting you. That is holding you back.
And I, Mother Mary, ask you now, to let it go.
Mmm...
For that is the key.
That is the key to the whole question of why the energies stopped moving: It was because you couldn't let it go.
Somebody would do something, and you didn't like it. They'd create something, and you thought it was in your way or that it was ugly.
Or they would sneak up on you and grab some of your energy, or blast you off into some far corner of creation.
And you hurt. You felt the pain of that.
Oh, back then you couldn't feel physical pain, but you could feel emotional pain. You felt the betrayal. And yes, that's a difficult emotion to feel! And you felt it, and it hurt.
And then you wanted to pay them back, so you held on to it. And you went and hit them back!
Or whatever it was. You blasted them off, or you grabbed their energy, or you created a boulder right in front of them, or whatever.
And suddenly you had a battle going, for now they felt betrayed also.
And on and on it went. Until finally you ended up here, slowing everything down and feeling that pain on a much deeper level, because you wanted to understand what was happening.
Well, now we know. Now you know.
It's about letting it go.
You look out in the world, still, and you see all the abuse that's happening, and you want to get involved.
Most of you know better at this point, but a part of you really wants to get involved and show those abusers what's what! You want to punish them, or see them punished. And you cry for the people that are hurt, the girls and women that are raped. Oh, and boys too.
But in that, you forget that it is all a game and that it is all happening for a purpose. A beautiful purpose!
Because every being in all of creation wants this answer, the answer to how to get along with each other and how to feel good about yourself.
It's about letting go.
It’s about recognizing that:
Every one of you are unique, individual, sovereign beings.
Every one of you has a right to exist, and to explore, in their own way.
And NO ONE, in all of creation, in all of existence, has the power to hurt you or to do anything to you, unless you allow it.
Oh, so often you allowed it because you didn't know any better. Now you do, and you do not have to go through that anymore.
Now you are coming home to you. You are coming home to your own soul and its perspective, and you are waking up from this long human dream.
Your memories are coming back. But they are not coming back for you to seek vengeance on them!
They are coming back for your forgiveness, and for your love.
And what is forgiveness?
Forgiveness is the act of consciously, deliberately, letting go.
Letting go of the blame. Letting go of the need for vengeance. Letting go, even, of the need for protection, or to protect anyone.
Because every single being out there is a souled being who knows exactly what they are doing, on some level, and does not need or want your protection. Because they want the wisdom that is coming from their experience.
Mmm...
It's hard to see things this way when you still haven't remembered who you are, when you can still only see from the human perspective, so don't even try to convince the regular humans out there. You can't. It won't make any sense to them at all, so don't try.
Your job now is to simply be in your own light.
You've called it Christ Consciousness. And I ask you now, as you receive your portion back from Yeshua—it's already here, it's already done—to stop calling it Christ Consciousness, because that tends to place it outside of you.
Start calling it your light, your own light, because that is what it is.
As you do that, you're going to find life changing.
You're going to find that you have no more need to correct all those ‘bad’ people out there.
You'll find that you can stand back and kind of laugh at how silly it is. But it is not silly for them, any more than it was for you, so don't try to convince them. Just shine your light.
Just smile and know that it is done. The hope is here. The light is here. And it is changing everything.
Sooner or later everyone will feel it, and they will wake up to their own memories and their own soul, and into a whole new life.
You are the leaders.
You are the leaders of the leaders, and now you know a whole new place to lead from.
Now, you simply watch. You trust yourself. And you discover your creation.
Mmm...
So many of you are still looking for, “How do I create the life I want?”
I ask you, dear friend, to let go. Let it go.
Let those agendas go, and discover something much grander than you can even imagine.
Oh, I know, so many of you are struggling and you don't even know how you are going to feed yourself tomorrow. And I still say, let it go.
Let go!
Simply be in your light, and then discover what happens tomorrow. It's not going to be what you expect!
Unless, in your fear, you hold on so tightly to what you expect. And then you will create more of that.
Let go! Let it all go!
You are not here to correct anyone, including yourself.
You are here to let go.
That's what you have learned in all of this drama and all of this long, difficult path. You have learned to let go, to come back to your soul's perspective, and to allow the creation to unfold.
Because it is your creation. It is not anybody else's.
But you have been holding on so tight to all of those hurts and all of those agendas and all of those pains and aches and painful memories, and all of those things that you have all these labels for, like abuse.
You hold on so tightly to them that you keep creating them, so let go!
That's what Christ Consciousness is all about. That's what YOU have learned.
And that is what Yeshua meant when he said to turn the other cheek.
That doesn't mean you lay down and allow people to beat you up. But it does mean that you walk the other way. You step out of the situation if you need to.
But let go of the blame. Let go of the agenda. And especially, let go of the need for vengeance.
Oh, the human has a hard time with that, because it still doesn't have the full perspective. But your soul knows now, and all you have to do is give it to your soul.
Allow your soul to take it.
Oh, you will feel the aches and the pains that come from it, briefly. But the quicker you let go, the more brief it will be.
Mmm...
Dear friend, a long, long time ago, from the human perspective, you said goodbye to your soul. You said, “I'm going to go and explore, and do whatever it takes, to discover who I am, who you are, who we together are.”
And you went out, and you have been through this incredible adventure, and now you are coming home.
The journey is over. You've found your answers. You have shown your soul who you are, who it is.
And now your soul is coming home to you.
It's already done, dear friend.
Feel the reunion.
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It's happening inside of you right now. It has been happening for some time.
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Wrap your arms around yourself and feel the hug of your own soul.
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It is done, dear friends. It is truly done!
And as you let go of all those attachments and agendas, as you step back...
Oh, our dear friend Tobias gave this beautiful metaphor of the ‘short wall,’ a little divider between your home in your consciousness, and everything else. A divider that you can step over.
[Tobias’ message is at https://www.crimsoncircle.com/library/creator-series/accept-all-things-as-they-are]
He called it the ‘short wall,’ and he said that it is time to step back behind that short wall and simply observe. And that as you do, you will come to know an entirely different perspective, and you will find your joy again. And you will be able to watch the dramas that are still continuing on Earth—because not everyone has completed their own journey yet—and smile.
And you will see the colors, Tobias said, of the tapestry that is being woven. And oh, it is incredible! It's so beautiful!
You have put your own colors into that tapestry, and it is so beautiful!
But you cannot see it until you step back, let go of it all, and simply be the observer. Then you will see the tapestry and its incredible colors.
And then you will know how to get along with the others.
Because, you see, when you don't have an agenda it's quite easy. When you are simply the observer, it's quite easy.
Oh, you take care of yourself, but now you know how to do that because you are not caught up in a battle.
You see, that battle locks you in. It locks you into the drama and you can't see anything else.
When you let it go—let that battle go, put your weapons down and step behind the short wall—ahh, everything gets so much simpler! So much more beautiful!
The human gets confused about that at times. But even then, step back behind that short wall and observe your mind. Observe its silly fears and stories and emotions, and smile, along with your soul. And then you will find a whole new balance coming into your life.
And then you will know what it means to truly receive Christ Consciousness.
Blessings. It is such an honor to be here with you in this incredible time!
And so it is.
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